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Why is Tiledek different? What makes it the Best choice?
Feb 03, 2012
Duradek for years (more then 35 of them) has been the industry leader in walkable roof membranes. When asked if they could help solve the challenges of using tile on flat roofs and roof decks they were quick to see the opportunity. We already knew that tile could be installed over Duradek's Ultra membrane with great success, as it turns out they had been doing it in Florida for about 12 years. Living in Utah the big deal is the harsh climate and freeze thaw concerns. What would happen if snow built up on and exterior tile surface and sat there, thawing out a little during the day and freezing again at night, over and over and over? Then in summer when we are in the 90's what will happen under the tile with all that heat build up?There was never any concern about the surface being waterproof. Duradek really is the expert in this field. Achieving a bond strong enough to reduce concern over a cracked or popped tile was what we were interested in. Having installed this all over the Salt Lake City area from the Benches, Avenues and as high as 10,000 ft it was time to learn more from the tile industry. I wanted to know just how they would waterproof over living space, or not and did that make any difference to the products used.
What I have learned was simple. There really are no standards an the most common practice was to do everything at least twice. Redundancy seemed to be a confidence builder. In reality all it would do is delay the inevitable failure. The owner was very often the person faced with the expensive repairs and there was a lot of finger pointing between contractors and trades.Duradek' Tiledek brings roofing standards and approvals to the tile industry. Our system has been tested to the tile industries standards (TCNA), achieving a "heavy" and "residential" rating during the Robinson testing. So what does that really mean to you? Our trained installers will waterproof the surface including up the walls and all details. Tile is then installed to our system. What you get in addition to a beautiful entertainment area is Peace of Mind
If there is ever a problem with a tile it is a simple repair. No water damages, no high cost of replacement, just a new tile being installed.
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Save money by doing it right the first time.
Jan 04, 2012
When you enjoy the outdoors and our wonderful views there is nothing like an outdoor entertainment area to relax in. The choices you make while designing your outdoor living area will determine the amount of effort to maintain and repair in the coming year(s). Since this is a very common question we field let break it down again for you -Lowest initial cost (Good)- Wood. It doesn't matter if your using Redwood, Cedar or even treated lumber, they begin to deteriorate as soon as they are installed. The average home owner spends money on these designs every 3 - 5 years and normally about 7 - 10 years there is significant repair or replacement.
Medium range initial cost (Better) - Composites and Coatings
Composites - These are the manufactured, wood looking materials that will last longer than wood. They are subject to the effects of the elements and although they are often mentioned as waterproof they do not waterproof the area, the implied comment it that the composite itself is not effected by water. The colors can fade, they can splinter but more significant the supports are the same old building materials (wood) and they will deteriorate and need repair or replacement. Coatings - There are a wide range of coatings available on the market and can range from a DYI project to one that is installed by a contractor. The bottom line with coatings are they require ongoing maintenance from every 1 - 3 years. they are difficult to repair and if you do not keep up on the required re coatings and maintenance then you are risking failure. When you add up the initial cost and then the re coatings these can quickly become the most costly and inconvenient products.Realistic initial cost (Best) -
Roofing membrane. Duradek has the widest options of colors and designs as well as the highest ratings for testing and approvals. Here is where you have a choice to make - do you want a waterproof, very long lasting, minimal easy maintenance, with lots of choices OR do you want the seemingly never ending hassle's and frustrations that have always been associated with decks and outdoors?
Perfect solution for harsh climates
Jan 04, 2012
This wonderful home is located in Timber Lakes, just east of Heber. The unique design has several portions of the roof draining onto the deck surface. The home owners wanted to make use of the patio below without the hassle of the water and debris falling through the slots of the previous wooden slat deck. Initially their concern was simply to "dry in" the lower patio without much concern for the looks of the deck surface.It's a good thing the pros at Decking Solutions were on the job. They far exceeded the owners desires by using Duradek's Ultra Cork on this waterproofing job. It's not only providing the dry space below but looks awesome too. You can shovel snow off or simply use some salt or ice melting compound, it is all save and approved.
These guys don't play around, there is only one way to do a job. No short cuts, do it right the first time and your done. Here you can see where they have taken the time to go over every seam in the plywood with some filler, making sure they are level. Taking the time to do this makes the surface completely smooth like a floor. Duradek is often thought of as outdoor flooring and when installed by professionals the results are wonderful.
Since the drip edge is coated and of a thick gauge recessing it like you see here makes for a smooth transition and no bumps or lines showing through. This also prevents any standing water at the edge. 
There were two bedrooms on the upper floor, each leading out onto the deck area. With log construction it can be challenging to make everything fit exactly right. Here Shane and Tyler were able to come up with a design that was not just waterproof but also enhanced the finished look of the deck, again exceeding the owners expectations. What you see here is a "filler" being used to smooth out and fill in any gaps where the plywood transitions to the log, allowing for proper installation of the Duradek membrane.
The membrane is also used as the flashing along the wall so once fastened to the plywood they continued up the log and under the original door threshold. Then to make it safer and more attractive they added a small step, this was a great touch and turned out fantastic!
Failed coating turns into beautiful tile.
Nov 16, 2011
This beautiful home located on the Bountiful bench has an external deck that was completely finished adding a nice touch. The only problem was the original deck had been covered with a cement like coating that was not waterproof. In fact during the tear off you could see the multiple layers and how they had failed, even the metal lath stapled to the plywood was rusted.The home owners wanted to be able to use the deck to relax and watch the sunset with invited guests, without the concern of water damages again.
Here you see Duradek's Tiledek membrane has been installed providing a waterproof barrier as well as the anti fracture membrane for tile. This was after the experts at MBL replaced all the rotted materials from the old deck and it was extensive. What your seeing in these pictures is very close to a complete rebuild, even the joists had to be removed as a result of the extensive water damages. The system is fairly simple - 3/4 T&G plywood - 1/2 cement board - Tiledek membrane - Tiled right to the membrane.
Who wouldn't be proud to show this off to friends and family? Outdoor entertainment areas are fast becoming very popular ways to improve your home and when done right they can last for decades without concern of water damages. 
MBL has a great staff and as a general contractor they understand the value of doing it right the first time. Over the years they have continued to send new employees through our training programs so each individual on the job clearly understands the system.
Keep the wood look but reduce the upkeep.
Nov 11, 2011
Cottonwood Custom to the rescue! This home along the bench in south Salt Lake city had two decks, one over the other. Tired and frustrated with the constant dripping of water and debris onto the lower deck not to mention the damaging wood it was time to call on a pro.
In order to maintain the same wood appearance yet eliminating the water issue Cottonwood Custom cam up with a great solution. They left the current railing attached and used Duradek's Ultra Cork to waterproof the deck, stopping the dripping water below and keeping the desired look the home owner wanted.
Boy, wouldn't it be nice to get up in the morning and walk out to this. Relax and enjoy that first cup of coffee taking in the view, confident your water worries are over.
Why others fail
Nov 11, 2011
Getting ready to install a gutter system, there was not on before and that meant all the water run off was running down the fascia.
Duradek's Classic Barley is installed over the existing failed coating.
Obvious water leaking into the storage room below.
This had been going on for a few years all the way down the supporting columns to the cement slab below.
These had been covered with Stucco. All the support columns had to be replaced simply from water getting in there and rotting the OSB and dimensional lumber.
The water was running off the deck for the most part, a few puddles but around the stairs and over the edge is where all the trouble came from. It is the details that fail most often.
This coating was applied over the drip edge and when it was taken off you can see the discoloration from the water. It was leaking through the coating and getting under the drip edge, then all the way down to the ground. What was going to be a simply covering of the deck turned out to be a very expensive repair.
What is more important, Waterproof? or Appearance?
Nov 21, 2011
This project was in Jeremy Ranch / Park City. The home owner had found us on the Internet and inquired about what we can do to help with their deck. They were just sick and tired of spending money each year to clean and maintain the old wood deck. As suggested they did some looking around and found other products that they liked to look of and thought it would go well with the design of the home.
This is where the questions began. They wanted to know how to stop the water damages and rotting lumber. With the Duradek system and a company trained installer like the professionals at MBL Construction make is easy, we do it right. MBL Construction understands when waterproofing a deck here in Utah with our harsh climates and freezing winters you don't play around "Do it right the first time." The "other" guys said they would make it looks great but then there was no real warranty offered, they only coated the surface not up the walls, it would take several days for each layer to cure before the next goes on an inconvenience for the family. This is when we recommend the home owner does some homework themselves. Ask for the ICC/ES report, what has it been approved for? Has it been tested for the climate it is being installed in?
When asked if there was another job they could look at Shane at MBL said sure about a mile away we are in the middle of a repair similar to yours and we are just getting ready to to the Duradek's Ultra Classic Barley membrane. http://utahdecks.blogspot.com/2011/11/why-others-fail.htmlWhen they took a look at what the neighbors were going through they realized how serious a little water intrusion can be. The neighbors deck had been done in a very similar product that was being considered here.
Happens all the time. Do you want the newest, greatest, most incredible looking thing there is or do you want to waterproof your deck with a good looking, well proven, long lasting low maintenance system? Do the home work, investigate the product and the installer and sort through the sales pitch to the reality. Many times we have told prospective customers that choose other products "Call us when it fails" and we will take care of you. It is not funny how often and how soon they call.
The cost between products was pretty much the same, the deciding factor in this case was waterproofing. They will enjoy this decks for the coming decades without the worry or cost of repair and maintenance. Had they chosen differently they may have been going through the tens of thousands of dollars in repair the neighbors went through. When the snow flys this year they can use rock salt or shovel the deck and in the spring just wash it off, ready for summer!
Oct 12, 2011
This project is an owner builder that made the right decisions in the right order. The first time we met they had a clear mission - "Get the deck waterproofed before the weather turns." As they were going over the colors and designs (there are more then 20) the options were how low can we keep the price Vs do we want a deck that will compliment the beauty of our home.
I think a big turning point for them was the simple realization that they would only be spending money on their deck once for the next couple of decades. That's one of the great things about using the Duradek walkable membrane. Last a very long time
Easy to clean
Easy to clean
Repairable
No ongoing maintenance programs
So many color choices you can match any color scheme
One of the keys to success is using the right products like plywood. To often we see projects where the owners went cheap and used OSB rather than plywood, they did save a few dollars a sheet but the risk is a delamintaing surface that will look horrible. Here you can see they installed the plywood right up to the wall so the membrane would turn up the wall nice and tight.Below you can see a great example of taking the time to do it right. The sheet by the door was short about an inch. Rather than spreading that inch out along the several sheets in that area they simple cut a piece to fit and glued and screwed it in place.
Maybe another comfort for them was we are a local company who stands behind our work and the installers. When we first met I had told them a representative would be on site during the prep and installation to make sure all was being done right. They were happy to see us on the job and lending a hand in a couple tricky spots, that's the way we do it. 
MBL - From oh so bad to WOW!
Sep 13, 2011
If I had this view you would find me on the deck,
As you will see throughout this article this is a very large project with two 1000+ sq ft decks. It was thought that the upper deck had some water issues. They were right! This had a rubber mat of some type laid on top of plywood and then was covered with outdoor carpeting (astro turf). Not even close to waterproof but it looks good for a year or so while the water is recking havoc below.
This is one of the support columns for the upper deck and the damages are obvious. In fact there was so much damage that by the time it was all discovered the lower deck would have to be replaced as well. There was a lot of bad news for the home owner to handle, the good news was the contractor had the solution as well. MBL does a lot of decks and understands there really is only one option when you want a waterproof system that will last for decades with no on going maintenance program other then washing it off.
Shane and the gang went to work repairing and replacing the water damaged substrate and turning these decks in to outstanding outdoor entertainment areas. Once the Duradek's Heritage Sienna was fully adhered to the substrate it was in use and ready for action.
It can be mind boggling to some people; that 60 mil membrane is all there is? Doesn't it need to be thicker or more of it? Shouldn't there be more layers? Does it really last? Duradek has been doing this for more than 37 years. All of that history and experience are what makes up the membrane, almost 4 decades! Of the work done in the Salt Lake Valley a very large percentage is done over living space where roofing requirements have to be met. That's where you separate the traffic coatings from true roofing products.
When you have this large an area waterproofing should be the number one thing on your mind. To have a failure would be very expensive. Second thing I would like is something that is going to be low maintenance, long lasting and has an attractive look to it.
This is one of the support columns for the upper deck and the damages are obvious. In fact there was so much damage that by the time it was all discovered the lower deck would have to be replaced as well. There was a lot of bad news for the home owner to handle, the good news was the contractor had the solution as well. MBL does a lot of decks and understands there really is only one option when you want a waterproof system that will last for decades with no on going maintenance program other then washing it off.
Shane and the gang went to work repairing and replacing the water damaged substrate and turning these decks in to outstanding outdoor entertainment areas. Once the Duradek's Heritage Sienna was fully adhered to the substrate it was in use and ready for action.
It can be mind boggling to some people; that 60 mil membrane is all there is? Doesn't it need to be thicker or more of it? Shouldn't there be more layers? Does it really last? Duradek has been doing this for more than 37 years. All of that history and experience are what makes up the membrane, almost 4 decades! Of the work done in the Salt Lake Valley a very large percentage is done over living space where roofing requirements have to be met. That's where you separate the traffic coatings from true roofing products.
When you have this large an area waterproofing should be the number one thing on your mind. To have a failure would be very expensive. Second thing I would like is something that is going to be low maintenance, long lasting and has an attractive look to it.
MBL leaky roof decks done right
Sep 13, 2011
This roof deck obviously has a lot of water on it during a rain storm. Too bad the home owner learned the hard way about using coatings and not keeping up on the maintenance programs. The dining doom is under the roof deck and the sheet rock had already been replaced once, now it was time to get it fixed right before the rain comes again.
Once again the "deck experts" at MBL were called upon to help. In order to properly waterproof the deck the cedar siding would need to be removed, thus allowing them to flash up the wall a minimum of 6 inches (building code). The siding was then put back as it was. Now with rain running off the roof onto the roof deck or snow drifts building up in the winter this home is protected for decades to come. That's right, shovel the snow if you like, use rock salt or ice melting chemicals to keep it clean in the winter it's OK. Simply wash it off in the spring and break out the BBQ or bring your chair out here to read and watch the sunrise.
Duradek's Hertiage Agate was a great choice and added a nice rustic touch to the cedar siding and color matched railing. The most important part of this job was providing the home owner with peace of mind. No more expensive repairs from water damage and the ability to just relax, we've got you covered.
Great Western Roofing- Twice as nice!
Sep 07, 2011
What a great way to turn up the beauty of a deck and walkway. Great Western Roofing used two complimentary colors to waterproof this combination project. The main area is a recent addition to the Duradek line, Forrest Floor Birch while the trim along the base of the wall and the walkway is a solid grey.
With the rail being grey as well they really do compliment each other and add a real touch of class to entire the area.
Waterproof, awesome looking, lasts for decades and very low maintenance. What more can you ask for? When it comes to work like this Great Western Roofing has you covered.
MBL makes it look so good
Aug 28, 2011
Here we have a combination problem. Tired of the maintenance on a regular basis and wanting to do something about keeping the area under the deck dry. This had been used as storage area and then every time it rains everything is soaked again. The same old planking decks like everyone else has don't really provide and thing for you. Because this deck is also the entrance to the home it was needing a little touch of class as well. Wisely they went to a solid surface roofing solution that will last for decades without the costly and ongoing maintenance issues.
Duradek's Classic Sandstone turns this old deck into a beautiful entrance to the home and provides the waterproof roofing they wanted for the storage area underneath. Obviously in the winter there will be snow build up on the surface, no worries. You can shovel it off, use rock salt or ice melt or any other snow melting chemicals without damaging the membrane. Then is the spring time simply was it off and your done.
The old decking was simply attached at the base of the wall. MBL in order to provide a waterproof system went up the wall with the membrane and then added this nice trim making this outdoor deck look so much nicer. Now it looks more like an extension of the home rather than an old rotting deck.
From leaking problem to added value
Aug 28, 2011
An older home in the Holiday area sits near the based of the mountains and has the most incredible views. They had no place to really take advantage of them or properly entertain guests other than the backyard. When the flat roof in the rear of the home began to leak into the living area, for the second time the owner wanted a better solution. Fortunately for them the contractor they were working with was familiar with Duradek. Duradek's niche is walkable roofing, it turns these flat roof nightmares into awesome outdoor entertainment areas. With the help form the folks at Dekmax they quickly chose to open up the entire area (900 sq ft) and make it a usable area.
With the old school roofing materials removed slope was added to remove water from the surface. With a simple 3/4 inch plywood surface the Duradek Heritage Agate was fully adhered and in just a few days they were out with the old and in with the wonderful new usable roof top deck. You can imagine the type of parties and fun they have when all their friends can gather together and relax. No more grass and debris being brought in the house, the pets can remain outside with no worries and when your done the clean up is as easy as a hose to wash it off.
From the first picture, taken from the door seen here. You can see the old railing blocked off the main area of the roof. The old building materials were not made for or approved for a walkable type use. With the new design the railing was continuios around the entire roof. I have no idea what the value of the homje was before the work was done but we can all agree this is a fantastic feature
From redwood hastle to relaxing beauty
Aug 28, 2011
These redwood type decks are found just about everywhere. They are the cheapest initially to install but then the heart ache starts. When you use the same old building materials as everyone else you can expect to repair or maintain it every year or two. The cost and time spent quickly wear on you and soon the deck is just a deck and not used. Within seven to ten years the same old building materials will need to be replaced in part or whole.
Here the home owner decieded enough money was being wasted yearly and opted for a solution to the problem. Rather than building the cheapest deck avalable and then spending money on it annually they called on Duradek's waterproof walkable roofing membrane, installed by the trained staff at Great Western Roofing.
The damaged wood planks and rail were removed and simple plywood was glued and screwed right to the joist. A littel filler was used to provide a very smooth surface, just like a floor.
Duradek's Herritage Sienna was used and this costly little deck was transformed into this wonderful deck. Oh yeah the home owner will still need to follow the maintenance program; Wash it off! That's it no more yearly work just hose it off and enjoy.
This is an example of how Duradek done initailly reduces your long term expense and is truly the best value. This was taken three years after the deck was waterproofed. The plywood and joists look like new. There is no need for pressure treated wood to be used because the wood is protected from the environment.
Aug 28, 2011
This kind of deck can be tricky and costly if not done right. A trapped deck with walls around the entire thing other then the stairs there is no place for water and snow to go. Good thing the pros at MBL were called in. It is a small area but already has suffered serious water damages that required the joist's and substrate to be replaced.This style of outdoor area is popular in that it includes some privacy but the design needs to include things like drainage and water management.
With the damaged wood removed and replaced it is time for the Tiledek membrane to be fully adhered as you can see here. Now the area is completely waterproof. That includes up the walls as well, waterproofing is not just the surface you have to include up walls and around the corners too.
Here you can see the tile has been installed and the stucco was replaced making the deck look even better. Trying to match the old stucco color can be very difficult so MBL simply made it look like the trim around the house, nice touch.
To provide the best possible removal of any water on this trapped deck a drain was added to center. Now rather than standing water the deck will drain and look beautiful.
McCleve Tile, they do it right!
Aug 23, 2011
This deck looks pretty good, at least when it is dry and sunny out. Wonder what it looks like when rain is in the forecast?
OK, obviously there was a waterproofing issue with this deck. Here is the story and lessons learned with this project. The home owner had purchased the home with the deck shown here, soon after a leak was discovered in the garage below. Having all ready experienced the professionalism of the guys at McCleve Tile he called on Dave for advise. Turns out Dave has been doing outdoor decks for years and understands the challenges and has the solution to properly waterproof a tile surface outdoors.
The first thing to figure out is what do we have under the tile and what caused the failure? It only takes a little while to uncover the products used and where the failure was.
I have learned that in years past the tile industry along with designers relied heavily on the thought that redundancy works best. So if the first product fails the next one will work. Although I can understand the logic it simply doesn't do anything but ad some more time before the failure. The most common root cause I have discovered is simply that the products being used are not recommend for this type application. If the manufacturer doesn't recommend the use, approve of it and fully warranty the work then don't use it.
Under the orange drainage mat they find a concrete roof with plywood attached to it. This was an attempt to get slope since the concrete roof drained back to the threshold. There are so many issues with this attempt but most concerning is that when you are using tile you should do everything you can to eliminate movement. Here what had been done added movement by using shims to elevate the plywood along the house slopping it towards the outer edge.
The leaking below was a result of water around the threshold, it had so much water around the door, under the plywood that it was ruining the Sheetrock in the garage below. You can see the huge void that was left even after the shims and plywood were installed. As a part of the redundancy used we can see that Ice and Water Shield was also installed. Tragically again it is a product that is not recommended for this type use and is not warranted.
This is a close up under the door. The OSB sheeting butts up under the door, it was so wet and rotted that you could use your finger to push a hole through it and pull it out.
It was not raining when the McCLeve Tile crew were tearing the old roof off. The water you see here was a large puddle under the plywood around the door. Not only is the Ice and Water Shield not recommended for use like this it is a bad idea to put screws through it too. In order to use the shims they were screwed into the concrete roof, never a good idea to put holes in any roof.
The end result is not just another tile roof deck, it is one that will last for decades without the frustrations and high cost of repair from water damages.
The first thing to figure out is what do we have under the tile and what caused the failure? It only takes a little while to uncover the products used and where the failure was.
I have learned that in years past the tile industry along with designers relied heavily on the thought that redundancy works best. So if the first product fails the next one will work. Although I can understand the logic it simply doesn't do anything but ad some more time before the failure. The most common root cause I have discovered is simply that the products being used are not recommend for this type application. If the manufacturer doesn't recommend the use, approve of it and fully warranty the work then don't use it.
Under the orange drainage mat they find a concrete roof with plywood attached to it. This was an attempt to get slope since the concrete roof drained back to the threshold. There are so many issues with this attempt but most concerning is that when you are using tile you should do everything you can to eliminate movement. Here what had been done added movement by using shims to elevate the plywood along the house slopping it towards the outer edge.
The leaking below was a result of water around the threshold, it had so much water around the door, under the plywood that it was ruining the Sheetrock in the garage below. You can see the huge void that was left even after the shims and plywood were installed. As a part of the redundancy used we can see that Ice and Water Shield was also installed. Tragically again it is a product that is not recommended for this type use and is not warranted.
This is a close up under the door. The OSB sheeting butts up under the door, it was so wet and rotted that you could use your finger to push a hole through it and pull it out.
It was not raining when the McCLeve Tile crew were tearing the old roof off. The water you see here was a large puddle under the plywood around the door. Not only is the Ice and Water Shield not recommended for use like this it is a bad idea to put screws through it too. In order to use the shims they were screwed into the concrete roof, never a good idea to put holes in any roof.
This is found on virtually any job. I guess it does again add some redundancy but caulk is not the best bet for waterproofing. I am not sure how many tubes were used but man there was a lot of it in there. At best caulk is a good moisture barrier but it should not be used as the primary waterproofing.
Enough of the problems. It is time for the McCleve Tile staff to get this fixed once and for all. The home owner liked the looks of tile, we all do. When Dave told him that the roof deck could be fixed properly he was interested. Once he understood about our systems (not just a product) and the fact that it is warranted it was a go. First thing was fill in that giant void under the threshold giving it plenty of support and eliminating the dead air space.
Next step was easy but significant. Get the proper slope to manage the water off the surface and also reduce the opportunity for movement. Here they have floated the existing concrete roof so that it is thicker along the house causing the water to flow away. By doing it this way they are providing a very stable surface with much less movement.
Duradek's Tiledek roofing membrane is the clear answer to this failure. Dave has the experience, a trained staff, the right materials and system. Installed right to the concrete this is not only the waterproofing it also acts as an antifracture membrane too. The bottom line here is we are bringing roofing experience and code requirements to the tile application that had never been considered before.
Rather than rely on a glued or chemical bond Duradek uses a trained installer to heat weld the two sheets together as one. They are basically melted together making the seam absolutely watertight.
The end result is not just another tile roof deck, it is one that will last for decades without the frustrations and high cost of repair from water damages.
Mattingley Tile & Marble
Aug 25, 2011
This tiny little deck caused some significant water damage. Why? Inadequate waterproofing was used. The damage was so bad the deck literally fell off the house. When we first saw this deck it was laying in the garden below. To often tile is thought off a waterproof, or some great barrier to water. It is not. Water will get below the tile and grout, into the thin set and that it were it can do the most damage. It is like the old saying "out of sight, out of mind."
Well while the deck looked fine the water rotted out the studs and supports. All of the stone siding was removed between the windows and re-built. The studs were so wet and rotted you could push your finger though the whole thing.
Good thing they call Ray Mattingley for advise and assistance correcting this issue. Ray knew the answer to the problem was simply to use the right system. Tiledek not only waterproofs but it is the anti fracture membrane and was designed for thin set to bond to.
The deck is built over again and here you can see they have added a 1/2 inch Durarock CBU to reduce movement.
With the CBU properly installed your ready for the Tiledek membrane to be installed.
Even though this looks like a simple little deck, the details are what take time and why you only want to use a pro like Ray. This has a radius, a threshold and the roof is within inches on both sides. It does look easy but even so this little deck was several hours of time just working the details
Good job Ray! Now you only have seven more like this one and then the big deck on the back of the house too.
I had a chance to stop by and see Ray and the progess they were making. Here they are instlling the Tiledek waterproof membrane to the larger deck and that did go a little quicker. there was a lot more tile to be used too.Turned out beautiful and without a doubt the home owner's water issues are gone.
Elite Custom Exteriors
Aug 04, 2011
When it comes to elevating your exterior into a beautiful entertainment area these are the guys to call. This customer had the same problems that are way to frequent in our area, water damage has caused major repairs. The owner was clear, "fix this with the right stuff so I don't have to go through this again!"Tile outdoors is a wonderful way to make the neighbors envious, but it needs to be done right or it will be very costly.
This job had some pretty serious water damages that required additional supports, joists and removal of a large part of the surrounding wall. There was no doubt about what products would solve this problem and with a few additional drains the water will be moved off the surface quickly.
The great thing about the Elite Custom Exterior company is they also have a flooring division within the company so all of the work is single sourced. By doing this the customer not only receives a higher standard of service but a packaged price for the work.
This job had some pretty serious water damages that required additional supports, joists and removal of a large part of the surrounding wall. There was no doubt about what products would solve this problem and with a few additional drains the water will be moved off the surface quickly.
But "they" said it was waterproof
Jul 25, 2011
It wasn't raining, this was trapped in the deck.Times are tough, I understand being thrifty and looking for the best deals out there. When it comes to waterproofing your decks and patio's or any horizontal surface my thought is be cost effective and thrifty. Here are some examples from Park City, an area that is suffereing serious water related issues from a combination of product choice and poor installation.
Solid surface decking is a great choice, why not make the most of the space you have outside. It can be an outstanding place to entertain your friends and family. I think in many cases the home owner's decison on products has been based on the finished look as much as cost.
This deck was over a garage and there are at least three different products that we found. so many in fact that we were conserned about the weight. It appears that the original attempt was to have an exposed aggrigate or "pebble" style finish on the deck. It failed and it was no wonder, where was the waterproofing? The second attempt was another dose of the same type design. Can you believe it failed too! The reason why? No waterproofing. As the old layers were being torn away I noticed water leaking out the garage below and running down the driveway. The home owner originally called because there was water leaking into the garage so it made sence.
The visible water leaking into the garage is what raised a flag. In truth this had been going on a very long time. The multiple layers had not stopped the water from leaking through, it was trapping it below and that was rotting the substrate. Here you can see how wet the wood was, it was actually puddling during the tearoff. The water was leaking out the door below and onto the deck becasue there was nothing to hold it any longer.
This deck was over a garage and there are at least three different products that we found. so many in fact that we were conserned about the weight. It appears that the original attempt was to have an exposed aggrigate or "pebble" style finish on the deck. It failed and it was no wonder, where was the waterproofing? The second attempt was another dose of the same type design. Can you believe it failed too! The reason why? No waterproofing. As the old layers were being torn away I noticed water leaking out the garage below and running down the driveway. The home owner originally called because there was water leaking into the garage so it made sence.
The visible water leaking into the garage is what raised a flag. In truth this had been going on a very long time. The multiple layers had not stopped the water from leaking through, it was trapping it below and that was rotting the substrate. Here you can see how wet the wood was, it was actually puddling during the tearoff. The water was leaking out the door below and onto the deck becasue there was nothing to hold it any longer.
The failed product was coming up in large chuncks and this is what was below. This was directly above the water leaking out the garage to the diveway. As they tore off the old it was allowing more water to flow through the holes.
It was fortunate for the home owner that they had so many layers on the deck, somebody could have been seriously hurt falling throught here.
In our experience the details is where waterproofing gets difficult. Here there simply is no excuse for what was done. In each application of product all they did was go up to the edge of the wooden post and stop. Anyone can see that water will get into the shrinkage cracks, this will leak below and casue the wood to expand as well.
One of the layers was a liquid applied membrane. Not sure how you can get a liquid to go up a column and stay but only butting it up to it obviously doesn't work either.
Finally to the bottom layer. Although the wood had not rotted yet you can see the rust from a layer of metal that was used, probably to help reduce movement. All it did was rust from the amount of moisture seeping in.
Finally to the bottom layer. Although the wood had not rotted yet you can see the rust from a layer of metal that was used, probably to help reduce movement. All it did was rust from the amount of moisture seeping in.
MBL, they take it from leaking to WOW
Sep 16, 2011
Great project, see article below.
This beautiful home and two outstanding decks are made for outdoor entertaining. The only problem is the seemingly endless expense of repair. The home owner was clear they are tired of being told "stories" from contractors and having to pay and pay. As we began discussing the Duradek options they quickly went from a classy design to the Tiledek membrane. I would have to agree for as nice a view and the amount they entertaining they do; Tiledek was an excellent choice.
The lower level is over living space and had suffered some leaking and water damages. Over head is the upper deck, basically the roof of the lower deck and it too had a small area over living space. 
There was a liquid applied coating of some type applied over a plywood substrate that had failed once and when called the installation company charged them more money to add another coat to "fix" the problem. Not long after the problem was back and the leaking continued. Why? that is what the home owner didn't understand. Why did it happen and why would somebody make all the promises etc about the product? Part of this falls on the home owner to actually investigate the product and get the history, warranty, experience, training.
It doesn't take much to look up a products approvals if they have any or simply tell the installation company you want to see the ICC approvals before they do anything. Make sure that they meet building code and if not sure call the local building inspector for assistance. This is a good example of being sold a poor product that does not have the proper approvals for a deck over living space. With just a minutes time a layman can see that coatings in general are allowed to retain up to 15% moisture, so how can that be considered waterproof? It's just smoke and mirrors, creative marketing. 
For this job a couple of bids from Duradek trained installers had inspected the decks and each submitted a formal bid. MBL of Kaysville, UT was awarded the job. First thing was to determine what kind of water damages had been
done under the coating, It looked good above while the significant damage was happening below. While tearing up the damaged substrate they came upon the cause of the ponding water on the deck too. The deck surface had been designed with plenty of slope but there was a problem between trades during the build. The brick siding was actually higher than the substrate itself. here is where somebody should have addressed the issue but didn't. Rather then correcting the problem they simply added another sheet of 1/2 plywood to the already installed 3/4inch, closer but still lower than the brick. Ultimately what was done was the substrate was laying on top of the brick causing a reverse slope and that is why the water would pond around the outer edge. Once this was found the only way to properly correct the problem was to tear off the old substrate and re sheet it with new plywood. The joist's had 1/4 in 12" slope all ready on them but still lower than the brick, a 2x2 was glued and screwed to the joist providing proper height over the brick and excellent slope
With the new plywood down the next step was to use Mapei's Ultaflex 2 as a bond coat and Durarock cement board screwed down. One of the concerns when considering using tile or stone outdoors is movement and this step aids greatly in reducing any movement and thus problems with the tiles popping or cracking. Durarock (like all the other product used) approves of their cement board being used in this application. This is significant because it eliminates the optional finger pointing and "blaming" of wrong products used thus causing the failure.
Mapei's Ultra Flex 2 was used as a bond coat for the CBU as well as being screwed down.For the outer edge Duradek's PVC coating drip edge was installed allowing the Tiledek membrane to be welded to it providing a water tight finish.
Tiledek 60 mil membrane meets or exceeds a multitude of needs on this job, we bring roofing standards and practices to the tile industry. The TCNA (Tile Council of North America) calls out for a roofing membrane to be used when using tile over living space but stops short of specifying a thickness. Yet when roofing 60 mil is required over living space, so why the gap?
Once the Tiledek membrane is fully adhered it is ready for tile. Here the deck was large enough that the tile setters where already installing the tile while the membrane was getting the finishing details. Mapei's Granirapid thinset was used for setting the tile.
Imagine the delight of sitting on your new beautiful tile deck with your friends and family, barbecuing, relaxing and taking in the view.
Outdoor living, not just a deck
May 10, 2011
Outdoor living space adds value to your home!So many of us have decks, flat roofs, balconies and porches that are done like everyone else in the valley. For years a wood plank deck was the thing to do, mainly because it is the least expensive. Soon the excitement of the new deck turns into a annual maintenance and repair headache. The resulting costs and time can be frustrating and replacement is inevitable.
What's the next best thing? You can get the same general appearance of a wood deck by using composite materials. These are easy to come by from name brands or even the local Home Depot and Lowe's for the do it yourself-er. The problem is the same but you have bought some time: the wood supports and trusses are rotting. True the composite materials are waterproof and they will not rot. They will fade, can splinter, stain or discolor and water will leak through them just like the old deck. Again to by some time pressure treated wood can be used or required and the chemicals that are used will add a little time. While those chemicals are being washed into the ground over the years they to will begin to rot and need to be replaced.
Both of these and others may be the "popular" thing but what do they do for the resale value of your home? Do you look at the decks, flat roofs, balconies and patios that are in need of repair as investments for your home? Will the products you choose add value to your home?
Just for a minute think of these areas as outdoor living space, not much different than your living room or family room. Would like to have an area that can provide you with the opportunity to entertain and relax while taking advantage of our awesome Utah views? With the more than twenty Duradek colors and designs any outdoor area can be converted to a long lasting, low maintenance entertaining area. Unlike the previous decks this meets code as a roofing membrane so go ahead and take advantage of the space underneath. Storage? Now you have the space. Place for the hot tub so you don't get cold water dripping on you? Perfect. Get all the stuff out of the garage so you can use it for the car. Great idea. This is where your investment begins to pay off. Now the area underneath become usable space, completely dry and ready for you to take advantage of however you like. By using this process you have made excellent use of your time and money so have some friends and family over and entertain them in your new outdoor living area. While they are wowed with the changes you made you can relax knowing that your annual maintenance will be a with a hose washing of the deck. Don't worry about the snow and freeze thaw; rock salt, ice melt, shovel it, no problem.
Now you are thinking about the cost of something like this. It's OK we think about it too. The old fashion wood deck would be the least expensive and you can do it yourself. The composite materials are more expensive and again if you think your up to it you can do it yourself. The same area done with a membrane which offers you so much more has a material cost that would be less than the do it yourself composite choice! BUT, this is not a do it yourself project. Only professional company trained installers are used. You are no longer simply building a deck area you are investing in your home, most will agree this is not the time to try and cut the initial amount you spend. Doing it the right way the first time will provide you with well over a decade of use and you are saving the annual repair and maintenance cost of wood decks.When was the last time you walked outside sat down and relaxed with no deck worries?
Waterproof
-Vs- Coatings and cheap alternitives
Apr 20, 2011
We have over the years written numerous articles on coatings, cost and simple but common mistakes made. In just the last few weeks I have heard from countless contractors and builders that are so tired of the water damages on exterior surfaces that they just don't want to do them anymore. I can certainly understand the frustration from the many, many silly creations that we have torn up to use our true waterproof membranes over simple plywood. It drives me nuts to meet with a home owner and talk about how much money they have waisted and when they hear what the replacement is going to cost the fact that is is less than what they did originally I can see the skepticism in their eyes.Lets go over this job, the finished work in shown above with the beautiful view of the Wasatch Mountains in the distance. What had been installed before was a few different attempts at waterproofing and here is your first tip.
- If you want waterproof then make sure the product being used can back up it's claim to being waterproof.
I have learned that when a contractor is given the responsibility to come up with a waterproof surface they use their experience of past work. Then they add redundancy because that should add some insurance, if the first thing fails then the other might work? Nice try but rarely actually works that way. Here you can see what is several inches of different products stacked on each other. It all failed and was torn up once and for all get rid of the water leaking issues.
2. Do you know that most coating have an ongoing maintenance program that require you to re coat the surface every couple years. If you fail to do so what do you think happens when you have a failure?
I could only venture a guess as to what was spent on this rail and the failed materials that were tossed. I can with great confidence say the new deck cost significantly less money and will last for decades without any need for on going maintenance. If it gets dirty just wash it off, after all it is waterproof, not water resistant.
We are in the business of waterproofing horizontal outdoor surfaces, that is all we do. If you have concerns or are not sure of your options contact us.
Dekmax and Tiledek featured!
Mar 15, 2011
We are so thrilled to have garnished the attention of Richard Bergman
He has a huge amount of information regarding Decking Materials of all types, Projects, Tips and Advice, Design and Planning Information, etc.
According to Richard, "Vinyl is Where the Future is Heading."
He has a huge amount of information regarding Decking Materials of all types, Projects, Tips and Advice, Design and Planning Information, etc.
According to Richard, "Vinyl is Where the Future is Heading."
We were done as a feature on his web site and you can see it here-
Richard also has lots of information on waterproofing, low maintenance vinyl decking and you can take a look here -
http://www.ideas-for-deck-designs.com/vinyl-decking.html
http://www.ideas-for-deck-designs.com/vinyl-decking.html
The work that Dekmax was featured on was a Tiledek job. We completely waterproofed the area then a professional tile setter came to handle the installation of the tile. The comments from the tile setter were "I wish every job had this stuff on it, it bonds extremely well."
The Dekmax website has a link on the first page top right side.
Winter work
Feb 07, 2011
Another significant difference between us and the compitition, we work all year. True we have some pretty cold temperatures and that alone prevents the use of just about all other products.
Here are a few shots of a project in Logan UT. These are from the period just before Christmas to the end of January. The first building was done with no protective covering on it, rain casued the use of the tarps, but that was needed for the stucco crew. The decks are done before the stucco guys get started so plastic was used to to cover them to protect from water before installation.
The pictures don't really tell the whole story. On the days that I took these pictures it was below zero F. Yet the decks were being done and the contractor was ahead of schedule, not a common practice in the dead of winter with these kind of temps.
Duradek-Tiledek-Plazadek, have it your way
Jan 28, 2011
The Duradek brand is synonymous with waterproofing walkable roofs and decks. If there was one thing that may have limited them it was the finished look of the product. True they have more than twenty-five colors and designs but still some like a different look. The challenge is what product can provide you with the same high level of confidence in waterproofing and allow you to have the desired look too? Duradek has listened and now has more offerings to provide you with both.
If you stay with the lowest cost product then you are working with the Duradek vinyl but you can still use your own design ideas to get the look you want. Two tone surfaces are becoming more and more popular these days and the solid colors compliment the patterns well. Use you imagination and design whatever you want we will be glad to work with you.
Perhaps you are one of those that really likes the look of a wood deck or maybe a paver system? Well then Plazadek is for you! You get the same confidence in waterproofing but we have reduced some of the cost by eliminating the slip resistant ridges and colors, its going to be covered up after all. Want to install a sleeper system but not sure how to do it without putting screws through the membrane? We can help.
If you want to most incredible outdoor area there is then Tiledek opens new doors. Installing tile outdoors is a great way to enhance the beauty of your home and you can do it with confidence knowing it will be waterproof for decades to come.
When it comes to your home and property, don't settle for less than the best.
Request a quote from our trained installers or contact us anytime for details.
Customer Testimonials
Thank you Dekmax! Matt and Lorenzo did such a wonderful job at our house. They took our old torn apart porch and made it the pride and joy of the entrance to our home. The professional attitudes and the great product they deliver; make this company the place to go to if you need a deck or porch done.
The Redmonds
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